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RonakVasa

12th January 2007, 09:04 AM

Sorry People ,
But the problem with me not posting it Quickly is i wasnt able to post anything on the forum ..... Dont know wat the Issue was but today morning i tried and miraculously i am able to !

Well leaving apart those glitches which everyone face time to time ..... First Topic on this Thread starts with one thatis a simple one to get some Warm up and get in more participation -

[One thing I will like to add here is that People pls donot get afraid to post any dumb thing that you know.... cause some information are such that those are readily available but still are hidden or forgetable...so any of your contribution is precious.... not only for us but for u as well as If u make a mistake somebody will prompt and correct you and you get a quick feedback on ur views and points]
MODERATORS : pls encourage ppl in class to Post more on the Forum... it really helps

So hands on the Keyboard and start Posting people

WARM UP TOPIC : "Euthanasia [Mercy Killing] : Should It be Allowed?"
this is a type of topic where most of the people can contribute so start with a blast and ask ur friends to contribute as well

SheetalBhosle

12th January 2007, 10:07 AM

Hie Ronak,

I appreciate ur initiative. So let's start vid it. I am in support of this. :)

When any person you see is is more pain, say for eg, the person who is burnt in higher percent and is really in terrible pain and agony or if he/she is suffered from big desease and cannot be cured, or an old person who is on bed, who has left all his hopes of leaving, he/she should be killed so that they vil die peacefully and their soul to be rest in peace.

RonakVasa

12th January 2007, 11:53 AM

Hie Ronak,

I appreciate ur initiative. So let's start vid it. I am in support of this. :)

When any person you see is is more pain, say for eg, the person who is burnt .......

A quick contribution ...... cool . really i didnt expect this..... excellent work sheetal..... get in some of ur frnds as well ....

This work is to be done by the Profs here for a feedback on a GD but i wud like to put forward this initiative to tell tht while in a GD there is always an INITIATOR and the others are Discussors/ Followers

If U are an Initiator than you start by giving some Light on the Topic its pros and cons so tht it creates a path for the followers to come in and comment on the lights u have put forward...

if u donot know much starting points than wait for some other guys to start it ! it really helps.... cause if u donot put a strong point initially thn there is a chance tht GD may go off track catching some impactful words that u had put forward and discussion goes on the words and not on the topic.

One more important point for the Contributers
Never in the start say that I Believe this OR I am in vote for or against OR I am suer about this.... This looks adamant and also if u believe something thn there is no point of disscussion

Put it forward as this way : According to me , As we can say , Giving these instances (list of some examples) we can say tht .....

But if words tht show tht u have already concluded something are used thn it is a point tht u may not at all contribute in the GD further as u already have a Bias in your mind

GD are actually a meeting and discussion or a brain storming session to arrive at an optimised conclusion to an issue after having received views from each and every person and countering those views in diff scenarios and than picking up the ones which fail very rarely or less in percentage in various scenarios....... correct me if i m wrong in this

Well so sheetal try not to use " I am in support of this. "

For the GD now [i will be contributing as if i am seeking a seat which will make it more competitive] :

As my colleague Sheetal has missed out on puttin some lights on the issues faced regarding the topic i would just like to bring the issues in Light so tht our discussion can be more precise.

Well Euthanasia, have been in picture from quite a while on some various issues.
it is legal in some countries today but it still stays illegal and as a Crime in many other countries Including India.
1>So one of the Issue faced is why cant it be made legal / illegal everywhere
2>if in case its made legal , What can be the Norms under which a person can be certified as a helpless person as sheetal has given some conditions and can be given a self asked death in tht case
3> Are the legally realted people allowed to ask for the same if the person is not able to express his pain in case of Comma, or prolonged unconciousness etc....
3> What can be the Loop holes where in th euse of this facilities can be illegaly used, an thus Euthanasia has to banned
4> its social Impact

these are some of the many issues that can be discussed and if possible get some light on the other issues within the discussion

For Sheetals views in case of More burned person or prolonged hospitalisation and worst condition I wud like to say Where there is a Will there is a Way

I fu loose ur will to stay alive thn u actually cannot survive....3

for extremely burned persons there are a lot of Social organisations and NGOs that provide BURN camps and there are many cses where people are donating their Skins similar to EYE donations for such burned persons....

For a prolonged desieases or problem if you follow some norms that thedoctor asks you thn the desiease can be put to a check although not cured. thus its not tht suffering tht u have to counter if you keep a check on certain rules tht th edoctor asks u to follow...

Its actually on ourself to keep oneself away from the diseases...

awaiting other contributions so tht epople participate thn i will put some of my other views related to this one as well as some other points put forward by other contributors

SheetalBhosle

12th January 2007, 12:44 PM

Hey Ronak,

Thanx for ur advice..I will surely follow it.:)
So here's sumthing more....

Mercy killing is ultimate desire of who wish to die. According to me, yes Euthanasia should be leagalised in India. It is very traumatic for the patient as well as the family to see a member suffer. If its mutually agreeable by all the kith and kin of the patient to put a peaceful end to the suffering, this would be the better option. The decision should be made by a medical panel, the patient, the patients family, and the patients spiritual guide. If the procedure is based on a definite medical need it should be allowed. This act is of without a guilty intent so it should be legalised because mensrea(guiltymind)is the main element of criminal action. It should be allowed by taking into consideration the patients present condition, reason for request of mercy killing, history, age, curability, expenses of survivability,close relatives availability to take care.

RonakVasa

12th January 2007, 01:52 PM

Good sheetal for the change was quick......

Now i entirely agree to the list of requirements u have put forward for the execution of Self Death
But i would like to adress your point considering "non-guilty mind"
But by society standards and Crime Laws it is said that No person has a Right to End a Life or say kill someone ! isnt it?
so tht it could be himself also, usually when people commit suicide , it is not guiltiness but due to much sufferings that they get from life…..and sometimes society ! In this case although its not a Guilty mind they consider it as a crime!
Also, if you urself dont have the right to birth than how can u or hte grup of others have a right to Death, ethically .

for the relatives you never know wat stays in the mind of a person ! What if due to personal Benefits the relatives may ask of mercy killng cause until the person lives they may not the property in their name ! this may be to pessimistic view but truly there are such dirty minds. Internally although the person suffering still may have some liking to live more but as he cannot express it he cannot live!

As per Society the person for whom mercy killing is considered is related to many in this world ….. so no one person has a right to certify his death…….

An dabout duration and Doctors panel, there have been many miraculous cases where in the Doctor may say that there is hardly any hope for the person to survive and within a period of time tht person is back to his normal !
So why cant the suffering person or their relatives expect these optimistic miracles?

I will like to tell u a true story wherein a person who is a firm Believer in all that he does and although something doest go right he expects that if he tries it one more time than he may succeed and thus never looses hope.
One day during a crime Incident which was happening at a road he got SHOT by mistake and the Bullet goes straight into his Heart.
Lucky for him that the Hospital was nearby. But the moment the bullet hit his heart, by the mind he felt that he is dead. He started collapsing very quickly and until he was rushed to tht hospital there was very les hope of him surviving. When he was taken to the OT, the doctor was also sure tht this person can hardly be saved……

But the most difficult operation went thru and the person survived.
After he was back conscious and was said tht his chance of living was in decimals…..and how he was still alive no one can explain….he replied while you people where operating me internally first I was afraid of death but than I believed in my GOD and Myself and I said to myself that I want to live any how in any condition….. and see the result of this belief ……!

So I still stress the point that Where there is a Will there is a Way

Also as per to make it legal there should be strict Norms to be followed and a particular rule should be put forward in the Medical Association as well as our constitution.But as we see there are always Loopholes in these rules and people make a way round this rules. So how can we expect truthfulness and honesty in these means?... how can we expect that all decisions taken by mearly group of humans may turn right?

SheetalBhosle

12th January 2007, 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=RonakVasa]Good sheetal for the change was quick......

Now i entirely agree to the list of requirements u have put forward for the execution of Self Death
But i would like to adress your point considering "non-guilty mind"

Hi Ronak,

I think except we both, nobody els is intersted here. :)

Well sumwhere I do agree you, but here we are to do discuss about whether it shud b legalised or not....In certain cases, where the patient himself/herself is only not ready to leave, atleast that person should be alowed, because we never know the pain he/she is undergoing thru. About hving faith in god for miracles to happen, its fine, but when the chances are too less, dunt you think that person deserves the death. Till how long the person will keep faith in god and suffer the pain. The story u told me, might be true, but except you, who knows it and who will trust you. So, the conditions which i stated earlier, keeping those in mind, the person shud be given death.

RonakVasa

12th January 2007, 10:47 PM

Its Not God that i speak its the inner will to survive.....

Guess a Soldier who suffers from all pain when he is caught by the Enemies....

If in tht pain instead of the will to survive he thinks of killing himself ... he is not called a soldier.... Soldiers till their Last breath try to Survive and Find a way out for their Country

Definetly not for the Country but a person can definetly make his will strong for himself

I am not aginst it leagalization ...... but before such things are done which can lead to grb social Impact as well as may be misused... it should be good if some corrective Norms are in Place

I do agree that instead of sufferrings it is better to end Life .... but isnt this a Symbol of lack of sustaining Power....

I know my point is arguable ...as in people who suffer it for a long period finally loose power at some point.....

But i meant the other way ..... Power in Society .... The whole crunch is that if it is allowed on completelky Extreme cases today ..... later over a perioid of time the rope will start turning slack and some cases which may have some hope will be certified as Euthanasian Cases..... and pls donot say tht this isnt possible..... it is a usual thinkink and process tht we see as a human tendency... not only in India but all over....

Later a case may arrive that People who find they have Certain non- curable diseases ..... which may not be Cured in Life and may result in Suffering may ask for Mercy killing before they actually suffer .... Again a Human Tendency

So if something is gonna put in for Humans it shud be considered that Human Tendencies and Human Feelings are the driving Force in such decisions....

And abou the story , it may be known to many ! .... who knows ? ....or it may not be known .... but it still remains the fact that the inner will is the greatest Power...... as very well depicted in the Novel "The Alchemist" - "if you wish to do something than the entire world will come forward to help you but if u think that you cannot do a particular task and even than start trying thn too you wont be able to complete it"

About your Procedure - which you stated considering the application with respect to a plea of mercy killing first by the Person Suffering, than his relatives willings and thn going to a group of panelists (doctors... preferably whos identity is kept secret and the panel changes to every plea ) who will see the Medical History , study the present condition of the patient, and probability of retaining the normal state .... and than Law suite in a Court to Certify the PLea.....wont it take a long time? although, true tht less thn the suffering time of the person if he is let in same condition...... but still it will be a very long process....

[Mods pls get it more ppl yaar .....this is becoming Monotonous.....with two ppl debating...... more ppl more views and more learning ...... Profs at each Centre pls ask students to atleast spend 30 min a dy on th eposts here ....and i see this post is only a 5 - 10 min consumption of that 30 min !]

virendra

13th January 2007, 07:52 PM

Hey Ronak,

Thanx for ur advice..I will surely follow it.:)
So here's sumthing more....

Mercy killing is ultimate desire of who wish to die.

Even Suicide is ultimate desire of who wish to die, So will you kill him or let him kill himself.

RonakVasa

14th January 2007, 08:05 AM

Exactly Virendra ! ... that was my point ...m also discussing about its socital values and impact it creates on the society

...... virendra sir ! thoda jyaada likhona ....kya one liners likh rahe ho !

SheetalBhosle

15th January 2007, 09:26 AM

Even Suicide is ultimate desire of who wish to die, So will you kill him or let him kill himself.

Hi virendra :) ,

I agree that suicide is the ultimate desire of who wish to die. But here we are talking on Euthanasia, which means an act of killing sum1 painlessly, especially the 1 who is suffereing from incurable disease, so that makes obvs that suicide is not the case of Euthanasia coz suicide is the case of killing himself...So thats the difference you c.

RonakVasa

15th January 2007, 09:55 AM

ha ha ha ha !

Euthanasia is definetly for those who are suffering from uncurable diseases ....and we are speaking about it ....but we were just countering your point of unguity minded Death approach ....

Ok if we agree that whatever you said and are putting forward is correct [to which i was never completely against of ]than can u please put forward a procedure which may make this thing fool proof ! otherwise this can be heavily misused by Dirty Minds

SheetalBhosle

15th January 2007, 10:38 AM

ha ha ha ha !

Euthanasia is definetly for those who are suffering from uncurable diseases ....

Hey Ronak,

Now, i am really finding this very boring as no body els is following us. Why just v 2 ? Neys, regarding ur concern....

I did not found any procedure for this, but the condidtions which i stated earlier mite help for the same.

RonakVasa

15th January 2007, 11:01 AM

i too m finding it boring yaar .... i think ppl never login to the forum ...... they really dont know the benefits ..... well we can keep our contribution going ..... atleast will help us right...... !

Ya the conditions you have put forward ahead can definetly help ......
but i wat i meant was how can we incorporate those conditions such that it becomes almost perfect if not completely perfect ..... !

In reagrds to making it perfect was like a Random Selection of Doctor Panels to whom the entire application can go for srutinization...... this shud be made an Online procedure so that the doctors who are selected can access the reports from a common pool and give their Analysis.
Also the Panel selection List should contain doctors of diversified Knowledge and Reputation .....

But wat about the application through a court appeal ...how can this be made more faster and less erronous ??

miral

15th January 2007, 04:07 PM

Hi Ronak & Sheetal,

The topic that u guys hav etaken up is definitely worth discussing bcoz these are the questions that generally we avoid discusing.

Coming to the point... the thing that we are missing here is whether we as a society willing to accept the fact that it is really beneficial for those cases where there is no hope of survival. Bcoz ultimately its the person and moreover the family and well wishers who suffer... the along with the patient go through tremendous pain... more of an emotional one where the hardly can celebrate the life that GOD has given...

Ronak dont get disappointed... you are doing a good job

AnupamGadekar

15th January 2007, 11:48 PM

ronak.....dont u think u r against euthanasia for the wrong reasons.......i agree wid u tht laws in favor of it wud be or cn be used for wrong reasons but........for tht we hv to wrk togethr to create the propr legal framewrk which is bth swift n accurate......n i think "life"..needs to be defined properly.....coz whn we genrally say we take away the life........we associate it with.......taking away somthin which is valuable n brings joy or is a privilege.....but for a pateint whoo is a consideratn for euth.......life itself is somthing worse thn death.......

SheetalBhosle

16th January 2007, 09:03 AM

ronak.....dont u think u r against euthanasia for the wrong reasons

Hi Anupam,

I completely agree u and that's wat i was trying to portray here.

RonakVasa

16th January 2007, 12:15 PM

I was Never Against it guys ..... the only thing initially was there were no contributers xcept sheetal and if i start supporting the points sheetal portrayed ....thn it wud have turned extremely monotonous and don phased so i voluntarily took up the negative talk ......

This cud be a case in REAL GD ...there can be a situation that in the starting itself most of the members are on one side of the Topic......

In such a case it wud be better to take the opposite side instead of speaking on the same directions...... Here there are two extremes that you can face ....if u can handle the pressure of the opposite group thn u stand above and if u loose in between thn u loose....... as i am having very less points to defend i m stuck ....so in my last two posts i tried to change my focus and take my sid ein favour ...this is to be a smart option ......

So remeber ....never in the start take a very strong bias....speak nuetrally and put forward both the points .....Positive as well as Negative ....it helps you to change fields latter whereveer you like ...isnt it ????

Now for the GD :
No i m not focussing on the wrong reasons ...as highlighted by MIRAL , my colleague that its basically acceptance of the society and the members ....its basically tht u voluntarily are asking to kill someone very close to your heart .This can not only be a human ...but the pet as well which becomes the most closest to your heart ...... its just like putting your heart out to be killed

...also for my previous arguments i wud like to say just one line "Prevention is Better than Cure" ...reframed as "Firsthand Precaution is better than panting latter" ..... Better Frame it by Critical Analysis so that it becomes less erronous or latter face the consequences.....
I myself is a sofware developer ..... so i think in the same lines that if the application is not built with good amount of thought put behind it in the basic stages thn u face lots of bugs latter and confuse yourself in the Code Web

As in this case if you dont frame the rules and regulations correctly thn as you know that as per our constitution ..... to change things latter as per ammendments ...takes a long proceess and thn u pay for it a large amount ....

Bring in the Benefits of Mercy killing but with extreme cautiousness.....

One more perspective tht i see here is
Think Karma ..... as our ideology ...... whatever a person faces is a rebate to whatever he has done in his life ...... if this is not balanced here thn the credit of your pains will be carry forwarded....... y worsen the coming life instead face the consequences today for a better tomorrow .....

wat r u ppls thoughts on this angle of thought although more spiritual but we Indians are bount to get in this perspective as well ....as also Sheetal had put the point of a Spiritual guru deciding on the mercy killing ..... ?

AnupamGadekar

16th January 2007, 08:13 PM

to ronak,
yaaa........but dont the think th fact tht we rnt med or law students makes it a bit immature on r part to comment on the issue involving "identification of genuine cases"

AnupamGadekar

16th January 2007, 08:16 PM

GUYS ,
SEE WE R 3-4 FOR US HERE NOW RT?? SO WHT WE CN ALSO DO SEE.....DISCUSS SOME TOPICS WHICH U THINK R GONNA B IMP FOR GD.......N ALSO SOME PI Q'S IF U WANT........WHT SAY......PLS REPLY....ME OPN 2 CRITICISM...TC

RonakVasa

16th January 2007, 10:37 PM

to ronak,
yaaa........but dont the think th fact tht we rnt med or law students makes it a bit immature on r part to comment on the issue involving "identification of genuine cases"

Anup i agree to the the fact tht we r not the right persons to decide on the authentication of cases but dude this is the topic which comes in GD......

They may also have a topic as to what economical reforms are required for India...or some state in India or may be WTO.....all these are Issues and Although we arent great Economists nor even 10% of the great ppl but we need to Have a GD on it !

So dont bother who u are or are you good enough to comment on something ....just put forward ur ideas andd thoughts .....thts tht simple

RonakVasa

16th January 2007, 10:45 PM

NOTIFICATION :

The topic "EUTHANASIA" stays
OPEN TILL 17th JANUARY 2400 HRS ...

SO QUICKLY TRY AND POST YOUR POINTS >>>>>

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

than i will summarize the points put forward...and will post a new topic

AnupamGadekar

17th January 2007, 09:09 PM

yaa u rt ronak......thnx

RonakVasa

18th January 2007, 07:00 AM

EUTHANSAIA CLOSED

[SPACE RESERVED TO POST THE CONCLUSION]

Summary of our Discussion :

Euthanasia / Mercy Killing is a way out for extreme and prolonged pain and sufferings through Diseases. This is the Ultimate Desire that a patient and their relatives may rely on to just free the patient from tht sufferings and pain so tht they atleast dont force pain on their loved ones. This eyes a good thought to Legalise it in countries
But as we see it in Societal values ...it will cause a great Impact..... Also in legalisation a well structured plan is required so that if there are loopholes at one stage it can be filled up by counter actions to decrease misuse of facilities for the better.
A good plan could be to device it for a period of time....Find out the existing tloopholes and than make it stronger and finally thn bring it into full existence . This is to be done with allowance to further changes to make it more foolprooff.

The Idea to use it for Better of the people should be the prime concern and should allways be in focus

Mods Pls Come In ....see our posts and comment us with ur feedback [most imp aspect]......

Eagerly waiting

New topic comes in a few hoours.... so chill!

RonakVasa

18th January 2007, 09:57 AM

The new topic or we can say our second topic for Discussion is

:rolleyes: Reservations in Education / Studies :rolleyes:

In this regards i am not starting the topic .I would like somebody else starting the Topic just as we wud strt it in a real GD with some intro and guiding points !

So hands on Keyboard Guys !

SheetalBhosle

18th January 2007, 01:29 PM

Hi everyone,

Wow, the second topic is really interesting and there is much to talk about but as my frnd Ronak advised me to start vit an introduction. Here's starting vid small introduction which at the end ask u one question which vil help to start vid the conversation. :cool: And this time i hope v have more people not just me & Ronak.

So everyone, BEST OF LUCK :)

According to me, the word 'Reservation' is mostly misunderstood, vague, and even mythical.

Reservation according to Indian law is used to describe the government policy through which percentage of seats are reserved in the Parliament of India, State Legislative Assemblies, Central and State Civil Services, Public Sector Units, Central and State Governmental Departments and in all Public and Private Educational Institutions.

There are different types od reservation, such as caste, religion, domicile state, and education. Other reservations are made for, females, blood relations of freedom fighters, handicapped people, sports personalities, NRI's, and Ex-serviceman quota. Seats are reserved for Schedules Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Most backward Castes, Backward Castes, Other Backward Castes in varying ratio by the Central Government and State Government. This caste is decided based on birth,so it will never get changed. A part of india is sinking because politicians have decided to reserve 27% seats for their community and other backward classes.

Many a times, the selection criteria for those coming under reservation are always relaxed.

If most of the seats are occupied by the backward caste, then tell me where should general category people shud go?

RonakVasa

18th January 2007, 03:24 PM

Who else would i have seen posting first except the perfect contributor sheetal......Jyaada hogaya shayad ?

Well Sheetal ..... i m still waiting if some people post so thn i can decide on what side should i speak otherwise again last time ki tarah debate ho jaayegi :) :) :)

Awaiting further posts

and ya i forgot to complement .....excellent start sheetal.... seems u were prepared 4 this topic.....a perfect one ....keep goin this way !

SheetalBhosle

19th January 2007, 08:33 AM

Who else would i have seen posting first except the perfect contributor sheetal......Jyaada hogaya shayad ?

Hey thanx for the compliment :).

As per u suggested, i started vid the topic vit an introduction. I was awaiting for dis topic coz there is much more to talk on dis. What say? Neys hope v get some more people or i think u only have to b on other side..

hehehehehehe :D

RonakVasa

19th January 2007, 09:48 AM

Neys hope v get some more people or i think u only have to b on other side..

hehehehehehe

:eek: :eek: No pls dont :eek: :eek:

I wont bee able to speak on the other side ....

RonakVasa

19th January 2007, 01:18 PM

Arey yaar ...y r not these ppl posting although they come online !

I see ppl comin online almost the entire day but y dont they post in here ....

lagta hai i will have to get on the other side of Sheetal :cool: :(

SheetalBhosle

19th January 2007, 03:54 PM

lagta hai i will have to get on the other side of Sheetal :cool: :(

Hi,

I think, we r good competitiors among ourselves. Others are getting scared. It is better if u only cum up on other side, coz i know this time again i m gonna win.

hehehehehe :)

What say ?

RonakVasa

19th January 2007, 04:16 PM

Hi everyone,

According to me, the word 'Reservation' is mostly misunderstood, vague, and even mythical.

Reservation according to Indian law is used to describe the government policy through which

percentage of seats are reserved in the Parliament of India, State Legislative Assemblies,

Central and State Civil Services, Public Sector Units, Central and State Governmental

Departments and in all Public and Private Educational Institutions.

There are different types od reservation, such as caste, religion, domicile state, and

education. Other reservations are made for, females, blood relations of freedom fighters,

handicapped people, sports personalities, NRI's, and Ex-serviceman quota. Seats are

reserved for Schedules Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Most backward Castes, Backward Castes,

Other Backward Castes in varying ratio by the Central Government and State Government.

This caste is decided based on birth,so it will never get changed. A part of india is

sinking because politicians have decided to reserve 27% seats for their community and

other backward classes....................
backward caste, then tell me where should general category people shud go?

As quoted by Sheetal, I agree that seats are reserved for all those categories.
and it is nice to see seats reserevd for the Handicaps, Physically challenged, relatives of Sports personalities and freedom fighters and professors and much others......
from these type of reservations the motive of the government, as wee see is to basically help those people who are helping the country or those who are naturally challenged to give them a better growth perspective...

For girls .... the quota is defined as in Country like India they are still treated as Inferior in many areas and this helps them to be Equal par to the males.
And this was not only in Education All these kind of Quota are present in each and every public (government controlled) fields including the political field with 33% reserved in Parliament , except the private organisations.

The other word was for Backward class and tribes .... which is required...India is a developing country and the stage today is to bring the people who are below avg to equal par with the others. the Backward classes have been suffering from times and if government is providing some facilities to them then it is good for the country as more amount of population gets literate and competitive.

About the General Category.... ya they may feel pitty tht they arent able to get wat they deserve..... but do these people think by putting themselves in place of the ppl who are suffering ?

Physically challenged ppl suffer their entire life, Freedom fighters have given their everything for the country and u r free bcoz they stood at tht right moment, relatives of military personnels are definetly to be given some benefit as they are sacrificing their lives for your well being.....

y has this increase blown the Bugal of protests.....
Y have the public rised in protest after sleeping for these many years .....
Y werent these protests taken up before ?

I see tht its just because the Top institutes like IIMs AIIMs IITs and such institutes were involved in the recent increase of Quotas........ where the people there courageously protested and thn the Entire nation Followed as a Tail to the ongoing process of protests .........

This is just as we see a tendency of India.... like many issues are given Hype by just a lot of people joining in protest if a chunk of them start .... but intill tht period the Joining protesters are never in Picture?

With this we can actually doubt the genuinity of the protesters !

RonakVasa

19th January 2007, 04:19 PM

Hi,

I think, we r good competitiors among ourselves. Others are getting scared. It is better if u only cum up on other side, coz i know this time again i m gonna win.

hehehehehe :)

What say ?

I wont say anything right now ...... time will say ?? :cool: :cool: :cool:

RonakVasa

19th January 2007, 04:23 PM

and pls pls pls sheetal dont do a wiki first ....... and even if u do pls dont just quote wiki as it is ......english framing to tum kar hi sakti ho yaar ......

RonakVasa

22nd January 2007, 11:02 AM

Ahha ....wat an awesome response i m getting

Its two days and No person has posted.....

Actually the poll on the thread didnt show this to me but i feel ppl come and read the discussion ...take some knowledge and close it .....no posting is done ..... they dont like sharing nor do they like discussion .....

Also i havent seen sheetal posting in the last three days ..... the only person who was posting has too stopped posting

Extremely dissappointment :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Manish Salian

22nd January 2007, 01:11 PM

RonakVasa

22nd January 2007, 01:41 PM

Hi Ronak,

Never mind the poor response. At least you tried hard to bring students to discuss!

So now, let me try my hand at it! Let us try incentivising people for participating!

So, with your permission let me start a new thread, where we shall compete and not just contribute.

Regards,

Manish sir

In any concern its not my loss ...... it was just that people at peak seekers can get something to know by actually knowing diff ppls perspective of thinking to diff situations and they can be prepared for it in all concerns .....

Its definetly not a problem if you are starting some thread ......

SheetalBhosle

23rd January 2007, 09:16 AM

As quoted by Sheetal, I agree that seats are reserved for all those categories.
and it is nice to see seats reserevd for the Handicaps, Physically challenged, relatives of Sports personalities and freedom fighters and professors and much others......

Hey Ronak,

Sorry for posting so late...:)

Aneys, i partly agree to u where u said "and it is nice to see seats reserevd for the Handicaps, Physically challenged, relatives of Sports personalities and freedom fighters and professors and much others......". But, if sum percent of seats are reserved for them, my question is still unanswered bout general category. why always SC & ST people are given more preference only coz they dont affors, there are sum open category people who dunt afford but they inspite of been on merit list they have to still search for good colleges. According to me, each and every individual should be treated on d basis on merit. Keeping apart d categories u mentioned above, the others should be treated on merit. Because at the end, its alwys noticed that most of the general category people r d one's who always suffer. Inspite of getting good score they r ones who has to just wander here and there for admissions.

RonakVasa

23rd January 2007, 10:47 AM

Oh cool ....so atleast u continue posting.....

I agree that there are some ppl in General Category who too dont afford !

Now i just want to go back to History and give some Info
When our Constitution was Formed , it was planned to give some facilities to the Dalits (SC) and the Adivasis (ST) who were not given rights to Education and other Jobs to Reserve some Seats for them so that They can be given opportunity to Rise. Accordingly it was a good decision as we have seen that due to reservations in many states and especially Tamil Nadu, a lot of these ppl have Flourished further. Today also as we have seen recently theDalits arent being treated with equality an still discrimination is done. So wat is wrong if government maintains those reforms for the SC and ST
I would definetly Like to address your point of "Affordability". In many other countries there is a System called "Affirmative Action (AA)". According to this System lot of Factors are taken into consideration such as Economical Condition , Caste , Status , Situation ,Location etc.... But dont u think the Decisions of AA will become very Subjective and wud be Debateable.
In our Situation CASTE remains Same throughout and thus cannot be misquoted or debatable ....

But i too agree that the Economical Condition Should be taken into Consideration. It should be that measure that before designating himself a part of ST/SC/OBC or into any other Quota a person will have to declare his Income. If this stands Below the average mark than he can be considered into the particular Quota. Moreover a General Category student with poor economical condition can be considered in Economical Scholarship Quota for his studies

Also it isnt tht i m in full Support to all types of Reservations : I am opposed to Reservations Like : Domicile , Home University , Same Caste as tht of the College Owner (Gujarati Quota , Sindhi Quota , Muslim Quota .....), This will bring a Debate here and the most important point to oppose this is tht the Institute will Lack Diversity in tht case and Students wont get a Spectrum of Peers, which is less beneficial to the others.

I also point out that although the Reserved Quotas ppl are given benefits in admissions but the final results stay on their performance. If they perform bad in their Exams they stay away from Gud jobs ....isnt it ?

SheetalBhosle

23rd January 2007, 10:57 AM

Oh cool ....so atleast u continue posting.....

I agree that there are some ppl in General Category who too dont afford !

Very true Ronak, but dunt u think that due to the rights given to SC / ST and other caste, we cud c only those people coming out vid bright colors in field of education or employment coz they get into good colleges and under good faculty guidance.

Even if they dont afford they are still given good privileges for the same. And because of these reasons, the goverment has been unfair to others. Now-a-days, political leaders also has monopoly on some instituions and they have reserved some quota for their community. Because of which many people are suffering. I think goverment shud rethink bout all these policies, and shud cum out vid the policy which vil pay justice to each and every student like us !! :)

RonakVasa

23rd January 2007, 11:08 AM

True that they get good Benefits and due to political interference (basically for Votes) it has gone a bit too High but still i prefer that the Quotas remain to actually get those ppl out in the competition..... they get better peer and opportunity which they lacked due to our social system in history.

Also as wee see alot of farmers due to inability of payment to their Loans as they get trapped due to various terms and conditions tht they werent able to interpret while taking it is a big issue. If their Childrens come out and study and understnd various needs and find out ways to progress thn its definetly gonna help .... i dont see a reason y this wont benefit..... its just that they have to come out and also the government and the NGOs need more Reforms and awareness for these ppl to actually encourage them to take up education.

still i m not able to see the answer to my question tht i posted
Y are general ppl who are suffering rising now?
considered tht 49.5% is a bit higher but y dont they see the benefits the entire Country will See thru this ?

DollyMakhecha

18th May 2007, 04:24 PM

well hello to ronak n sheetal i am dolly very new to the forum well my heart is beating hard as i am giving this a first try but reading ur discussion i would like to add a point in am wrong do rectify me

well as ronak mentioned the true story let us take it this way the person got shot n was lucky that the hospital was near by but what if there was no bed in the icu to treat him as it was occupied by an elderly person suffering from an incurable disease and is on resperitory system and is like a vegetable,what would happen abt thats persons will power willing to live,abt those doctors willing to save but in vain cause of lack of facilities.
there are several hospitals all over the world where due to lack of beds the person who can be saved has to die as it is occupied by someone on the vrge of death,that is also a kind of killing.now here where the choice has to be made.

will like to have a feed back please