CET 2007 Analysis

[Ajeet]

Once again, the CET (for MMS and MBA programs in Maharashtra) proved that Peak Seekers is the MBA test prep institute for the thinking student -- someone who does not get taken in by repeated advertising, but instead looks at the facts.

Of the 200 questions in today's CET, 177 were exactly like the ones found in Peak Seekers' prepCETs. The remaining 23 were new question types for the CET. Read our detailed analysis of CET 2007 (http://www.peakseekers.in/CET-2007-Analysis.html). Find out our prediction on the minimum score to get into Bajaj. :)

[AnupamGadekar]

helllo sir..............good to c the anlysis.........but 135 seems to low.....( thought me doubtful of even getin tht).......cn i ask u sir......the logic behind the 15 mrk fall in cut offs???

[Ajeet]

135 seems to low

That is good to hear. Hopefully that means you are going to make us proud by getting more :D

cn i ask u sir......the logic behind the 15 mrk fall in cut offs???

Sure. Here is the deal. Last year the written cut-off was 150. This year, nothing became easier. But the following became tougher:

23 questions on new types in Logic
In many question, a lot more to read
In many questions there were variations (as explained in the CET analysis (http://www.peakseekers.in/CET-2007-Analysis.html)).Based on these, we see at least a 10 point reduction, if not 15. Hence 135-140 seems like it. How much will you score?

[Ajeet]

I can see that among others, AnupamGadekar (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=495), KartikParekh (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=577), NidhiShah (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=749), ShashankShetty (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=590), SoniaShenoy (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=578) are logged in. Can every one share how the CET was for them and their expected score?

[AnupamGadekar]

CET 2007 my experience.............." NISHABD"

well jbims seems like a mirage now.............back to 2.15 pm ( 25 feb).....eagerly waitin for ppr....while chewing gum to ease the pressure.....finnaallly got it.............leacherously tryin to look out for sums thro the semi transperent pages......( cet pprs u ll find thm nex yr in udipi as tissues)....n ws writing abcd on the back........i thought i ws too smart.....the nex thing i find is the guy nex to me using a scale....write all alphabets, squares , cubes n god knows wht.
startd the ppr wit som easy q's........ws feelin vry nice........gettin som momentum....but slowly.......the harsh relaities of life....( n my intelligence)..startd unfolding be4 me..........as one aftr the othr answer ws coming ."none of these'............the ans to my bigest question.......which bschool me gonna get ws also evident...."none of them"........i had a look at the series n found it........like som rocket science logic.......visuals were like....CODED MESSEGES LEFT BY ALIENS IN PENSYLVENIA.....lukd at asumption n infrnces......n felt wht fools these cet ppr setters r to hv committed such errors......but my true intelingence showd up jus seconds later........aftr marking the answers...n the heaven broke loose.......the ceiling above me seemd to hav lowered.........the fan above me seemd to move at supersonic speed....n i ws up for big BIG trouble.......the ghost of probablity.....seems to hav re appeard to haunt me like many of these years.........n in the end........whn i ws tryin to resurrect som of the damage.......the villanous supervisor surfaced....this ws death of cet 2007 for me..............the eptaph wud read...." HERE LIES HARDWORK....DEC 2006-FEB2007"

PS : EVEN IF MY DAD OPENS A BSCHOOL TOMORO I THINK I LL MISS THE CUT OFF........
if u hav gon thro this stupid analysis of mine.........u hav really becum insane lk me coz of ceet 2007.

[virendra]

HI All,

Even I feel Cutt-off would be lower as compared to last year's.

Reasons being the same as mentioned in earlier posts. By the way why dont you guys tel us about No. of genuine attempts you made and expected scores.

[ShashankShetty]

mine was good too..... but i reall cant say, but atleast am feeling good abt the paper...... abd yes i found it to be prep-12!!!!

it was on the lines of all the 11 preps conducted by peak seekers. it feels like a waste that i bothered solving papers of other institutes!!

fingers crossed and hoping for the best. hope my accuracy hasnt gone down!!

[Manish Salian]

I can see that among others, AnupamGadekar (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=495), KartikParekh (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=577), NidhiShah (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=749), ShashankShetty (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=590), SoniaShenoy (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=578) are logged in. Can every one share how the CET was for them and their expected score?

I found it to be Peak Seekers PrepCET 12 :) Probably a lengthy version of the same. And of course, with the new question types!

Hmmm...CET is changing...gradually but surely! Not a good sign for next year's aspirants!

What is your opinion on the paper?

[Ajeet]

CET 2007 my experience.............." NISHABD"

So, what score are you expecting. Do not bother too much with the Visuals. In any case, our analysis expects you to get only 10 out of 30. If you get still lower, you could probably compensate it elsewhere.

[ShashankShetty]

sir, mera post cut-copy-paste mat karo :D

[AnupamGadekar]

yaa sriously................peak hs put the othr institues to shame...........it ws the closest to cet 2007.............congrats peak!!!! well don

[virendra]

CET 2007 my experience.............." NISHABD"

well jbims seems like a mirage now.............back to 2.15 pm ( 25 feb).....eagerly waitin for ppr....while chewing gum to ease the pressure.....finnaallly got it.............leacherously tryin to look out for sums thro the semi transperent pages......( cet pprs u ll find thm nex yr in udipi as tissues)....n ws writing abcd on the back........i thought i ws too smart.....the nex thing i find is the guy nex to me using a scale....write all alphabets, squares , cubes n god knows wht.
startd the ppr wit som easy q's........ws feelin vry nice........gettin som momentum....but slowly.......the harsh relaities of life....( n my intelligence)..startd unfolding be4 me..........as one aftr the othr answer ws coming ."none of these'............the ans to my bigest question.......which bschool me gonna get ws also evident...."none of them"........i had a look at the series n found it........like som rocket science logic.......visuals were like....CODED MESSEGES LEFT BY ALIENS IN PENSYLVENIA.....lukd at asumption n infrnces......n felt wht fools these cet ppr setters r to hv committed such errors......but my true intelingence showd up jus seconds later........aftr marking the answers...n the heaven broke loose.......the ceiling above me seemd to hav lowered.........the fan above me seemd to move at supersonic speed....n i ws up for big BIG trouble.......the ghost of probablity.....seems to hav re appeard to haunt me like many of these years.........n in the end........whn i ws tryin to resurrect som of the damage.......the villanous supervisor surfaced....this ws death of cet 2007 for me..............the eptaph wud read...." HERE LIES HARDWORK....DEC 2006-FEB2007"

PS : EVEN IF MY DAD OPENS A BSCHOOL TOMORO I THINK I LL MISS THE CUT OFF........
if u hav gon thro this stupid analysis of mine.........u hav really becum insane lk me coz of ceet 2007.


Do not be so Disappointed, as I said we cant say anything till 23rd March.
You Dad need not to open any B-school, A good B-school is waiting for you.

[ShashankShetty]

seriously buddy, proud to be associated with it..... clarification clarification, another institute analysis say cut for JB wud be around 151!!

[Manish Salian]

CET 2007 my experience.............." NISHABD"

well jbims seems like a mirage now.............back to 2.15 pm ( 25 feb).....eagerly waitin for ppr....while chewing gum to ease the pressure.....finnaallly got it.............leacherously tryin to look out for sums thro the semi transperent pages......( cet pprs u ll find thm nex yr in udipi as tissues)....n ws writing abcd on the back........i thought i ws too smart.....the nex thing i find is the guy nex to me using a scale....write all alphabets, squares , cubes n god knows wht.
startd the ppr wit som easy q's........ws feelin vry nice........gettin som momentum....but slowly.......the harsh relaities of life....( n my intelligence)..startd unfolding be4 me..........as one aftr the othr answer ws coming ."none of these'............the ans to my bigest question.......which bschool me gonna get ws also evident...."none of them"........i had a look at the series n found it........like som rocket science logic.......visuals were like....CODED MESSEGES LEFT BY ALIENS IN PENSYLVENIA.....lukd at asumption n infrnces......n felt wht fools these cet ppr setters r to hv committed such errors......but my true intelingence showd up jus seconds later........aftr marking the answers...n the heaven broke loose.......the ceiling above me seemd to hav lowered.........the fan above me seemd to move at supersonic speed....n i ws up for big BIG trouble.......the ghost of probablity.....seems to hav re appeard to haunt me like many of these years.........n in the end........whn i ws tryin to resurrect som of the damage.......the villanous supervisor surfaced....this ws death of cet 2007 for me..............the eptaph wud read...." HERE LIES HARDWORK....DEC 2006-FEB2007"

PS : EVEN IF MY DAD OPENS A BSCHOOL TOMORO I THINK I LL MISS THE CUT OFF........
if u hav gon thro this stupid analysis of mine.........u hav really becum insane lk me coz of ceet 2007.


Hi Anupam,

Your post looks like a Paragraph Construction question from CET!! :)

Don't lose heart! At least you have many calls, many of them better or on par with JBIMS. I think you should work hard at converting those!

YOu will surely get bored by the time you finish the procedures and Admission process of CET! You should surely look forward to converting something before that!

Here is one from me now:

Aaj jo Mirage (Mir-aaj) hai, Kal wo Miracle (Mira-kal) hoga! So, who knows, you may still be in race for JBIMS!

All the best!

[Ajeet]

I must point out that when we gave our prediction for CAT 2006, people hammered us as our prediction for the cutoffs was much higher than that of anyone else. In fact, the academic head of one popular institute actually came to meet Manish Sir and asked him to stop misleading students.

When the actual cut-offs were declared, we were almost 100% accurate (read: Peak Seekers Got CAT 2006 Right (http://www.peakseekers.in/Peak-Seekers-CAT-2006.html)).

Naturally, there is a hit-and-miss element here, but unlike other institutes where managers and administrators make these decision, in Peak Seekers teachers who are very closely involved with the students make these decisions.

I hope I am not eating my words next month, but I think that our written cutoff of 140 for Bajaj will be the best prediction for CET 2007. I wish myself all the best :D

[AnupamGadekar]

i hv givn peak seekrs 11 preps seriously........used to attempt 155 q's on a avg.......n used to get 135-138 on avg.........today attempted 170 q's.........but im not too sure about my accuracy.....n tht hs mad me mor nervous

[AnupamGadekar]

siiirrr..............hw wud u compare this ppr with cet 2005.........wht were the cut offs for cet 2005 lik???

[virendra]

i hv givn peak seekrs 11 preps seriously........used to attempt 155 q's on a avg.......n used to get 135-138 on avg.........today attempted 170 q's.........but im not too sure about my accuracy.....n tht hs mad me mor nervous

Do Not worry, as it is not going to help you, but wait till 23rd march, concentrate on converting GD-PI's of diffenrent institutes and performing very well in CET's too.

[Manish Salian]

siiirrr..............hw wud u compare this ppr with cet 2005.........wht were the cut offs for cet 2005 lik???

Hi Anupam,

Incidentally, in CET 2005, the last JBIMS seat was fetched by one of my students, Vinay Nair. He had a written score of 129 and had a Mumbai rank of 46 (I don't remember his overall score though).

I have seen the cut-off's of CET being high and low in alternate years...Infact I had quoted in one of my workshops that this year I am expecting the scores to fall...and I am pretty sure they would!

PS: Just for your information, though Vinay claimed the last seat that year, he secured a 14 lakh pay pakage in his final placements (one of the highest salaries offered in JBIMS this year). So Anupam, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Don't lose hope!

[AnupamGadekar]

did any of the faculty hav test form no. 222????..............coz it ws strange......even in 1 of the visuals i found two option exactly the same

[AnupamGadekar]

Hi Anupam,

Incidentally, in CET 2005, the last JBIMS seat was fetched by one of my students, Vinay Nair. He had a written score of 129 and had a Mumbai rank of 46 (I don't remember his overall score though).

I have seen the cut-off's of CET being high and low in alternate years...Infact I had quoted in one of my workshops that this year I am expecting the scores to fall...and I am pretty sure they would!

PS: Just for your information, though Vinay claimed the last seat this year, he secured a 14 lakh pay pakage in his final placements (one of the highest salaries offered in JBIMS this year). So Anupam, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Don't lose hope!



thnx........i hope soo....

[Manish Salian]

did any of the faculty hav test form no. 222????..............coz it ws strange......even in 1 of the visuals i found two option exactly the same

Hi Anupam,

There Anupam! I now know where you went wrong..I suppose you wasted a lot of time on Visuals - something that we always suggest you should be doing in the end!

Yes, there were 3 mistakes in Visuals - but I thought no one would be able catch it..

[virendra]

Vinay's Overall score was 157.

[virendra]

Hi Anupam,

There Anupam! I now know where you went wrong..I suppose you wasted a lot of time on Visuals - something that we always suggest you should be doing in the end!

Yes, there were 3 mistakes in Visuals - but I thought no one would be able catch it..


For me Whole visual was like a mistake as it seemed to be "RANGOLI".

[AnupamGadekar]

Hi Anupam,

There Anupam! I now know where you went wrong..I suppose you wasted a lot of time on Visuals - something that we always suggest you should be doing in the end!

Yes, there were 3 mistakes in Visuals - but I thought no one would be able catch it..


no..nooo ...........in fact i dint wste time in visuals at all.........in fact whn i ws jus eliminating some options.......i cam acroos this prob....whr two of them were alike........even thn......i marked once of the options...( tuk a risk)..n went ahead....

[AnupamGadekar]

in fact this ppr ws my highest attempts ever..........170....even last yr i had around 145 attempts......but m prob is coz....
1) probability.......5 sums
2) series.......5 sums
3) rc 3 q's
4) di........vters or population ka set i don remebr
5) inference / assumtion mix.....

[Manish Salian]

in fact this ppr ws my highest attempts ever..........170....even last yr i had around 145 attempts......but m prob is coz....
1) probability.......5 sums
2) series.......5 sums
3) rc 3 q's
4) di........vters or population ka set i don remebr
5) inference / assumtion mix.....


What was your score last year? Also, what has been your accuracy in our Preps?

If we were to discount the 20 odd questions that you mentioned and add another 5 from the 30 random guess, do you see yourself in the vicinity of 140?

[AnupamGadekar]

last yr genuine attempts 145.........score 123

preps.............avg genuine attempts 155....plus avg 45 tukkas
avg score in preps mus b lik 135

[AnupamGadekar]

virendra sir hw ws ur ppr like..............hw many did u attempt??? hw did u find...this ppr

[AnkitBafna]

Hello,
even i noticed an error in two visual reasoning questions..as in the options wer same..sir,i ws goin thru other inst.sites n this is what they predict..
time-140
IMS-151
So i thnk we can expect the cut off to be somewhre in between 140-150..
l

[Ajeet]

wer same..sir,i ws goin thru other inst.sites n this is what they predict..
So i thnk we can expect the cut off to be somewhre in between 140-150...

Ankit, the cutoff is not decided by popular opinion. Like I had mentioned earlier, our CAT 2006 cutoff prediction was 2 points away from the actual (and that is 2 out of 300, i.e. 0.66% error only). Most other institutes were off by 15 to 40 marks. Also, I recommend comparing the prepCETs of all institutes with the actual CET to establish some idea of who understands the CET better.

That is not to say that we will always be right. But, still, I recommend that you use your own analysis and not try to average out predictions. Last year the written CET cut off (i.e. out of 200) was 150. Use that as the starting point and compare all teh things that were different in this CET versus the last one, and you will have your own prediction.

BTW, how much are you expecting? :) That is probably a better point to think about :)

[Ajeet]

I can see that are BijoyShah (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=588), RahulArjanRohra (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=151), RushabhsenSanghani (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=747) online. Hey people, please share your attempts and expected scores :)

[Ajeet]

Anyone want to reproduce any specific questions and discuss them?

[RushabhsenSanghani]

150 cutoff ..... Kidding me ???
about the paper ..... it was pathetic , demoralising , lengthy. I used to be glad when "None of these" appeared as an option in Mocks , coz most of the times , that is not the answer. But here i had a surprise. In DI , i marked some answers based on approximation, but then there were a few where the options were not even close (obviously "None of these") so i cross checked for the previous questions and Wow !!! so many answers turned out to be "none of these" , so i tried to play safe and did most calculations till 2 decimals. Ofcourse that sucked up a lot of time.
It was not a good paper specially for someone like me who counts on things like analytical reasoning , quants etc and finds Verbal / syllogisms a killer. Couldnt have seen a nightmare thats worse than this paper.
Anyways, i was somehow able to make a genuine attempt of around 160.
Best part about the paper is that it has now made me a strong believer of God. Am i left with any other option ??

[RushabhsenSanghani]

I can see that are BijoyShah (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=588), RahulArjanRohra (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=151), RushabhsenSanghani (http://forum.peakseekers.in/member.php?u=747) online. Hey people, please share your attempts and expected scores :)


Attempt
160 genuine
40 flukes

Expected score : 125

[Ajeet]

Attempt
160 genuine
40 flukes
Expected score : 125

Is that 125 + the score fom flukes (say 8, i.e. 40/5) :D

[RushabhsenSanghani]

Is that 125 + the score fom flukes (say 8, i.e. 40/5) :D

well the worst part is that i couldnt even guess it that well. Coz if i consider things like accuracy in Mocks, even my attempts used to be huge there. This was a very different story for me. I couldnt trust my instincts in the exam. I did panic this time inspite of being so prepared. Just keeping my fingers crossed now.

[BijoyShah]

hello evry1 , well the last exam of the season and cet 2007 also had a few surprises.I believe that the overall cut-offs would surely drop.I found that the paper had many time-consuming questions that seemed to be quite easy at the first sight.Also syllogisms was a surprise especially while soving those questions on conclusions , assumptions and inferences.As usual quant weightage was less ,though we had 5 questions on probability against 5 on permutations which had appeared last yr.And the worst thing was the power failure :( was literally sweating while reading the RC :P ,Neways lets wait n watch till 23rd march , best of luck guys for ur gd/pi's and cet results too ;)

[Ajeet]

I guess the only thing to do is to wait. And the only thing to do RIGHT NOW is to sleep, as it is 1 a.m.

Good Luck and Good Night :)

[BijoyShah]

I guess the only thing to do is to wait. And the only thing to do RIGHT NOW is to sleep, as it is 1 a.m.

Good Luck and Good Night :)

yeah ajeet sir good nite

[RushabhsenSanghani]

Juzz to raise my hopes. if the overall cut-offs go down by around 15 marks this yr, does that still mean that JBIMS would be available at a score of around 160 (Including GD-PI) ??? coz last yr, last seat for JBIMS was at 173.

[ShashankShetty]

one question i remember...... infact 3 coz the same question was asked thrice for statement, conclusion and inference!

the railway authorities have decided to increase the rates of the upper class and marginally decrease the rates for long distance

what is the assumption/conclusion/inference for the above statement??

1. The upper class may be able to afford the price hike
2. The railway authorities may be authorized to regulate the prices
3. People may continue to use the railway services
4.
5.

dont quite remember the last twon option but i think the fifth option was "None of these"

[MubinPanjwani]

Well the CET paper was ok. Though im too happy about my attempts and the accruacy i had in Preps. Dont know whether ill get into a good B school now. Lot of Conclusion, Inferance statements were repeated in form 444. I attempted 148 and gave jus filling ins for 52. I wonder how much ill end up with.

[RishabhShah]

hello sir,
it seems people have attempted good enuf of questions... i think i spoke to almost 30 -40 people and people have told that they attemptd 150 genuine and 50 random marking ones...
i dont know wat the cut - off are goin to be lets c... just hope for the best.....
the worst part was that we had power failure and i was sittin in the darkest corner of the room...
hmmm about the papers one think which i felt was time consuming was the syllogisms part coz for every statement they had asked diffrent things.
for eg: Q154 - find the cause
Q155 find the effect... and it continued in the same way...
this was confusing and really time consuming...
i think otherwise in a way the paper was not bad... we needed to work harder.... lol....

[RushabhsenSanghani]

heres the link for the Allotment of the seats in all colleges last yr.
http://www.dte.org.in/mba2006/MBA2006InstwiseAllotment.pdf

[AnupamGadekar]

sir wht is the feedback u gettin from students bth peak n non peak regarding cet 2007????

[GirishRao]

Guys, I need to choose between ICFAI- Mumbai, SIES PGDBA & CET 2007. My CET didn't go that well. I doubt i will get into a good college. So pls suggest which of these institutes should i opt for?? I have got a call from ICFAI - Mumbai. SIES results awaited .. Plssss suggest.

[AnupamGadekar]

hiii, girish...........can u mention the dates n deadlines also like
1) by wht time u nd to pat icfai fees
2) whn wil sies result com out
3) u frehser, 1 yr gap n studyin or wrking

[ShashankShetty]

hi Anupam, Renovation work going on at Girish's place, so i dont think he'll be able to reply soon, but he's a good frnd, am replying on his behalf

- ICFAI fees to be paid by the 10th of this month

- SIES results will be out around the 15th of this month (thats wats displayed on their website)

- Working for the past 2 years, passed out in 2005

[AnupamGadekar]

thnx shashank
by wht hv sd.............he s curently wrking somwhr rt?? so i don think he shud go for icfai mum.it wud b a total waste of time money n energy.....girish u cn wait for sies......n cet........but frankly speaking see......if u cn....don go below MET ( assuming jbims, syd, kj som, welingkar , chetna , dalmiya r above met).....seriously... god forbid if u cant gt thro thm........try again nex yr......u ll hv good wrk ex n overall profile.atb n tc

[ i am jus a student......so plls cnfirm wht i sd with a faculty]

[GirishRao]

thnx shashank
by wht hv sd.............he s curently wrking somwhr rt?? so i don think he shud go for icfai mum.it wud b a total waste of time money n energy.....girish u cn wait for sies......n cet........but frankly speaking see......if u cn....don go below MET ( assuming jbims, syd, kj som, welingkar , chetna , dalmiya r above met).....seriously... god forbid if u cant gt thro thm........try again nex yr......u ll hv good wrk ex n overall profile.atb n tc

[ i am jus a student......so plls cnfirm wht i sd with a faculty]Thnx Anupam, I have got selected for SIES PGDBA as well. Since its AICTE approved, ithink it should be good. Just to correct what Shashank has said, i passed out in 2004, working for the past 1.5 yr @Eserve - Citigroup But the problem is i stay@goregaon & have to travel to Nerul everyday whereas ICFAI is very close. So pls suggest what is the best course of action.. Guys request you to help me out of this dilemma. Cet though is uncertain ... Fees for SIES is not known & deadlines should be arnd the end of this month.

[GirishRao]

Thnx Anupam, I have got selected for SIES PGDBA as well. Since its AICTE approved, ithink it should be good. Just to correct what Shashank has said, i passed out in 2004, working for the past 1.5 yr @Eserve - Citigroup But the problem is i stay@goregaon & have to travel to Nerul everyday whereas ICFAI is very close. So pls suggest what is the best course of action.. Guys request you to help me out of this dilemma. Cet though is uncertain ... Fees for SIES is not known & deadlines should be arnd the end of this month.Would also like to know whether SIES PGDBA is better than that of Chetana & MET

[AnupamGadekar]

pllllllllls girish i don think u shud go for icfai.........i stay vry close to icfai goregaon........arre sies any day better thn it.........but still y not try 1 more yr if u cn get better thn sies..........i peronally wud rate chetna far bettr thn sies.......spoken to many ppl they say cream of chetna gets god placmnt......btw congo for ur call

[GirishRao]

pllllllllls girish i don think u shud go for icfai.........i stay vry close to icfai goregaon........arre sies any day better thn it.........but still y not try 1 more yr if u cn get better thn sies..........i peronally wud rate chetna far bettr thn sies.......spoken to many ppl they say cream of chetna gets god placmnt......btw congo for ur callHi anupam, can u give me ur contact number pls..