GD 5: If Patel would have been the first Prime Minister after Independence?

[Manish Salian]

Hi,

The first topic for Tue, 15-Apr is:

If Patel would have been the first Prime Minister after Independence?

From now on, points for different topics would have to be submitted in different threads! So, no confusion about colour codes - just use black.

But one serious request to all of you, (especially Akhil, Harshil, Karishnma, Dhruvesh and Saurabh), please number your points and keep them short and to the point! Harshil seems to be copy pasting from some other source. Have pity on the people who are going through your content!! Spend some time in making the points crispier. After all, it will also help you in your actual GD as no one will allow to have such a long talk-time.

Thanks..

You can start the GD by replying to this post!

Dealine for this Topic: Tue, 15-Apr, 10.00 pm

All the Best.

Regards,

Manish sir

[AditiManjure]

1)It is said that Mahatma Gandhi's struggle for independence would have been incomplete without Sardar Patel's contribution in uniting small revolutionary movements across the country

(+1 mark: Introduction yes, but not clear as to what he would have done after the independence)

2)He was an illustrious leader who had not only shown a new way to the country but had also seen to it that the unity and integrity of the country was maintained, still none of his family members ever joined politics. But then there is the family of the former prime minister whose fourth generation also does not want to give up.

(+3 marks: Interesting point about Patel's lineage and how things would have been in India that followed)

3)Even today, at the time of crisis people say that things would have been different if Patel were there.He was the one who majorly took Gandhiji's ideologies to the villages.

(0 marks: How different it would have been? not mentioned.)

4)British govt had made many states independent.Patel integrated the princely states.Even after Independence,it was due to his diplomatic finesse and patriotism that India was not divided in many more states.

(+3 marks: True data about Patel's nature)

5)Infact its is said that Sardar Patel was the first choice of members of congress working committee when elections were held.Nehru got only two votes one was form Gandhi and other was his own.Rest all went with Patel.
So anyway Patel would have been great choice as due to his efforts only we have United India.

(+3 marks: Interesting piece of data!)

6)Gandhiji's points on favouring Pandit Nehru-
'Jawaharlal cannot be replaced today whilst the charge is being taken from the British. He, a Harrow boy, a Cambridge graduate, and a barrister, is wanted to carry on the negotiations with the Englishmen'...
Also said-while Sardar Patel would agree to work as Nehru's deputy, the reverse might not happen. He also felt that Nehru was better known abroad and could help India play a role in international affairs.

(+1 mark: Good point! But again substantiates as to why was Nehru appointed the PM and not on what difference would Patel have mede?)

7)Nehru was Kashmiri Pandit.The fact that a Pandit was the prime minister made Kashmir a state different from the 500 other princely states.

(+3 marks: Very interesting point! Isn't it? Many of us didn't think about this way.)

8)October 26 1947:historic meeting in Delhi with Mountbatten, the governor general, as chairman. As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God Almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper. He said, 'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away?Nehru said,'Of course, I want Kashmir.' Then Patel said: 'Please give your orders.'
This anecdote perfectly exemplifies Nehru, who could make the greatest speeches, but was unable to take a decision at a crucial moment. Thanks to Patel's decisiveness, troops were flown to Srinagar the next morning and the airport, the only link with India, was saved. Military operations to expel the raiders started.

(+3 marks: Another sixer! Aditi, you seem to be in great form. What an example!)

9)We can assume that a Patel govt would have dismantled the import controls inherited from the War, and would not have introduced industrial licensing

(+1 marks: Aha! Here comes something relevant to the topic. But no data to support your belief. I guess you have built it up from the previous points which have fetched you 3 points already)

10)Industry would have benefitted-the control regime forced it to replace imports at exorbitant cost. Its high costs made it internationally uncompetitive and limited its exports.China made use of its labour to become the frontrunner in industrialization in the Nineties; India could have become the frontrunner in the Sixties.

(+1 mark: Extension of the above point, also no concrete data to believe why this should happen)

11)Finally,if Sardar Patel, the Iron Man of India, who amalgamated the Princely States into the Indian Union, had been made the Prime Minister, New Delhi would not have been saddled by the Kashmir problem; communal strife in the country would have been less worrisome for Muslims would not have been pampered to the degree they have been; corruption would not have flourished as much as it does today; and some strong steps would been taken to reform the Indian administration, which is among the worst in the world.

(0 marks: Seems like a summary of all your above points)


Way to go Aditi! Such an impressive start! You have thrown away almost all the cards. I don't know what others would come up with?

[BijoyShah]

If Patel would have been the first Prime Minister after Independence?

1] First Home Minister and Deputy Prime Minister of India (born on 31 october) also called as the "Iron Man of India" and "Patron Saint" of India's civil servants for establishing modern all-India services.

(+1 mark : A very common data, everyone knows about this. Hence only 1 mark)

2] He considered Gandhi like an elder brother and a Guru and in many occasions had differences with Nehru.

(-1 mark : Repetition of idea initiated by aditi)

3] Patel would have removed the import restrictions and would not have introduced industrial licensing. India could have lead Textiles and Synthetic fibres industry.

(-1 mark : Repetition of Aditi's 9th point)

4] Kashmir Issue - He was opposed to the involvement of UN during pakistan invasion and would have brought a solution.

(+3 marks : Though a take from Aditi's point, Bijoy's point is forward looking and relevant to the topic. Aditi had mentioned the point while throwing light on Patel's personality)

5] The Iron Man would have tried to control terrorism and it would not have been one of the biggest threats that india is facing currently.

(0 mark : I don't know whether this point about terrorism would have been relevant immediately after independence)

6] He was a strong supporter of Hindutva, he tolerated the neglect if not mistreatment of Muslims. Hence it would have been possible that India may not have been the same Secular state as it is now had Patel been the PM.

(+3 mark : This one is a good point, as it shows that the seeds sown by him towards secularism would have made the difference even today)

[KrishnamurthyR]

If Patel would have been the first Prime Minister after Independence?

1] First Home Minister and Deputy Prime Minister of India (born on 31 october) also called as the "Iron Man of India" and "Patron Saint" of India's civil servants for establishing modern all-India services.

2] He considered Gandhi like an elder brother and a Guru and in many occasions had differences with Nehru.

3] Patel would have removed the import restrictions and would not have introduced industrial licensing. India could have lead Textiles and Synthetic fibres industry.

4] Kashmir Issue - He was opposed to the involvement of UN during pakistan invasion and would have brought a solution.

5] The Iron Man would have tried to control terrorism and it would not have been one of the biggest threats that india is facing currently.

6] He was a strong supporter of Hindutva, he tolerated the neglect if not mistreatment of Muslims. Hence it would have been possible that India may not have been the same Secular state as it is now had Patel been the PM.

1>patel was an ardent follower of gandhisim.

(-1 mark : Direct take of Aditi and Saurabh's point)

2>when india becme free it was a new born child with many problems he played a major role in intregating many princely states with india.

(-1 mark : Again repetition of Aditi's 4th point)

3>he was a visionary leader but at the same time he was also caring for the minority caste and the sections of the society.

(+1 mark : Minority class point is a new one)

4>if he would had been the pm then he might have lighted with the incidenta that happened in gujrat.

(0 marks : No direct relevance to the topic, which is Had Patel been the first PM after independence?)

5>he would have also plighted with the conditions in india and also the politics

(0 mark : General point, without concrete facts)

6>with his perfect decisions he might have succeded in having many decisions pending llike the inflation,indo-us deal.

(0 mark : Irrelevant again! any issues pertaining to present India not relevant to the topic, unless it is on lines of Bijoy's point where he says it would have set an precedence to a particular way of political thought process)

7>so it is necessary that we must have strong leader

(0 mark : Attempt to conclude the topic)

[KrishnamurthyR]

1>patel was an ardent follower of gandhisim.
2>when india becme free it was a new born child with many problems he played a major role in intregating many princely states with india.
3>he was a visionary leader but at the same time he was also caring for the minority caste and the sections of the society.
4>if he would had been the pm then he might have lighted with the incidenta that happened in gujrat.
5>he would have also plighted with the conditions in india and also the politics .
6>with his perfect decisions he might have succeded in having many decisions pending llike the inflation,indo-us deal.
7>so it is necessary that we must have strong leader
8>at the same time he might have protected the people's right and also showed the right wey for the progress of the country

(0 mark : No real data provided to support this view)

[KarishmaSavla]

Patel and Nehru had conflicting views, but Gandhi felt that a free India needs both Nehru and Patel.

1>patel was an ardent follower of gandhisim.

(-1 mark : Direct take of Aditi and Saurabh's point)

2>when india becme free it was a new born child with many problems he played a major role in intregating many princely states with india.

(-1 mark : Again repetition of Aditi's 4th point)

3>he was a visionary leader but at the same time he was also caring for the minority caste and the sections of the society.

(+1 mark : Minority class point is a new one)

4>if he would had been the pm then he might have lighted with the incidenta that happened in gujrat.

(0 marks : No direct relevance to the topic, which is Had Patel been the first PM after independence?)

5>he would have also plighted with the conditions in india and also the politics

(-1 mark : Repetition of Aditi's point)

Nehru was a young leader popular amongst masses

(+1 mark : Nehru's mass appeal never mentioned before. At the same time, it does not address what would have happened had Patel been the PM?)

Besides the points mentioned Patel and Nehru had conflicting views on the foll 3 issues:

Integration of Hyderabad

(+3 marks : Now here is some fresh data, directly relevant to the topic)

Patel wanted to send assistance to Tibet after the invasion by
Peoples Republic Party of china in 1950

(+3 marks : Could have given 1 mark to this point as it is a direct take from previous point about difference in opinion. But 3 marks are awarded for the relevance of this point even in today's world)

Ejecting Portugese from Goa by military force

(+1 marks : A continuation of the above two points)

[Manish Salian]

Hi,

Here is how all of you have fared in GD 5: If Patel would have been the first Prime Minister after independence

Aditi Manjure: 19 marks

Karishma Savla: 6 marks

Bijoy Shah: 5 marks

Krishnamurthy Raju: - 1 mark

Regards,

Manish sir