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[Manish Salian]

Hi All,

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Post your queries once you are ready.

Manish

[Ajeet]

The paper was largely on the lines of what most of you have solved for the past 4 weeks. With minor changes, this test was a bit on the easier side. In fact, Manish Sir of the Vile Parle Centre (26108001, 2) dubbed it "Peak Seekers Mock Test 11"

[Rahul Zaveri]

How does that word sound? Was it music to CET takers ears or a a painful area today?

[Ajeet]

How does that word sound? Was it music to CET takers ears or a a painful area today?

Hello Rahul Sir,
What is your take on the Syllogisms in the CET today?

[bhavna_par]

Manish Sir,

There were almost 3 qsts of the same kind in Data sufficiency, which went-

What is the value of the 2 digit no.
1) the difference is 9
2) the product is 0

Should the answer option be (e), none are sufficient, because the answer could be either 09 or 90, and its not possible to tell?

Bhavna.

[Manish Salian]

Hi Bhavana

09 is not a two digit number. Only 1 is sufficient. The number is 90.

[Rahul Zaveri]

just like last year's test, the paper maintained varying levels of difficulty across all four types ie. Probably true - probably false, Courses of action, assumptions and logical set theory in decreasing order.

[Manish Salian]

Hi Bhavana,

How was your CET paper?? Serious attempts??? Concern Areas???

[Ajeet]

Manish Sir,
On the whole what is your opinion on cut-offs? Will they rise? Will they fall?

[bhavna_par]

Hello Sir,

I am not sure how to categorise my paper. Serious attempts were around 160. I may have made more silly mistakes than i think, like the one i've posted :(

[Manish Salian]

Well I believe if you had prepared for CET (or for CAT) seriously, you could have easily scored 135+. With an average of 25 marks in the second stage, the cut-off's for Bajaj is expected to be above 160. This is a bit on the higher side as last year it was 157 for open category.

[Manish Salian]

Never mind Bhavna! I believe it was your best attempt across all papers, as this test was not only on the lines of Peak Seekers tests but also a bit on the easier side! What say?

[Ajeet]

For those who missed it, the overall analysis if the CET is posted in another thread at: http://forum.peakseekers.in/showthread.php?t=40

[bhavna_par]

Well sir, certain areas were definitely easier like the alpha numerical series, the puzzles, and the fact that there was not much maths (Yessss!), DI was uncomplicated too. But, the RC was a wee bit tougher than expected on CET levels. Syllog's were ok. Parajumbles was a nightmare. I could construct good sentences but could JUST not fit in one sentence into the para at all! So, dont know if i have finally constructed it right or wrong. Basically sir, the situation with most qsts is....if its right, the whole 5 marks set will be right, and if its wrong, the whole 5 marks set will be wrong. (Brrr.....)

[VeryVeryCATy]

Hi BHAVNA PAR: On the whole I feel nervous but vaguely satisfied with today's test. I do not want to be overconfident, but I think that I was well prepared for the test :)

[Rahul Zaveri]

hi Bhavna,

should We let the CET out of the bag? ok here we go. lets reduce the anxiety and euphoric anticipation of correct answers.

bhavna,

RC was definitely difficult compared to rest of the paper, but 6 - 7 Qs could have bee picked giving 90 secs per Q. WRT Parajumbles, It may have appeared difficult due to its lenght, but that is precisely what made it easy. the key was to locate absence of statement F from all Q's , hence F had to be statement 4. If you cracked this, you will definitely score a minimum of 3 on 5 in parajumbles, as both the Q statements will precede statement F and one statement definitely was a general start

[Rahul Zaveri]

I can see 10 people logged in, spectators can become participants too.. would appreciate some interaction:)

[bhavna_par]

Very Caty....

Good for u!!!

Rahul Sir,

You are right about the RC sir, i guess a safe amount of qsts could be attempted without hassles. Parajumbles too sir. I wish i could remember the sequence! DO u remember the order?

[Ajeet]

Actually, some people logged in might be facing trouble posting a message. If that is the case, make sure to read:

http://forum.peakseekers.in/showthread.php?t=41

And in case someone is wondering where Manish Sir has disappeared, well he is having tech issues and has accidentally locked himself out of the forum for 15 minutes. Luckily 5 of those minutes are over and he will be back with us shortly.

[bhavna_par]

Sir,

What do u suppose is the answer for-

Pick the odd one out....
WIndow, door, roof, concrete?

[Rajesh.Kannan]

Actually, some people logged in might be facing trouble posting a message.

Thank God I had started working on these forums long ago. Made a few friends and learnt a bit.

Based on what I read in the other thread (http://forum.peakseekers.in/showthread.php?t=40), it seems like Math was very easy. I had appeared for CAT. I think that for a Bajaj aspirant, we are looking for a new full score in Math. Is that fair assessment?

[Rahul Zaveri]

i think first statement was
C-1) the dinging digital device taht allows us to connect, communiacte easily, disrupt lives.......

A-2) Do the devices that make it possible .......merely help us spin our wheels faster

E-3) What sort of toll is all this disruption and mental channel ....

F-4) over the past 5 years psychologists explore...questions in detail

D-5) They have begun to calculate pluses & minuses....

B-6) More importantly they are exploring what can be done about it...

[Ramki]

What do u suppose is the answer for-

Pick the odd one out....
WIndow, door, roof, concrete?

I know I am not Sir, but I think that the odd one would be "concrete" the others are parts of a house. BTW, I forget, what was the 5th option to this question?

[Rahul Zaveri]

Hi Rajesh,

This is Manish sir here. unfortunately, I have been logged off due to some reasons (technical glitch!!)., so I am using Rahul sir's id to reply.

I think, other than one set of DI the rest of Maths was very easy. In case you had left Perm Com, you would have not been able to answer 5 more questions. But I belive, out of 50 Q's, you should have easily scored around 35 (considering the 10 marks of Logical Math and Qunatitative Comparison was totally on the lines of what you got in our tests

[Ramki]

i think first statement was
C-1) the dinging digital device taht allows us to connect, communiacte easily, disrupt lives.......

A-2) Do the devices that make it possible .......merely help us spin our wheels faster

E-3) What sort of toll is all this disruption and mental channel ....

F-4) over the past 5 years psychologists explore...questions in detail

D-5) They have begun to calculate pluses & minuses....

B-6) More importantly they are exploring what can be done about it...

I find para jumble mind-jumbling. I can always find at least two ways of looking at things. In the above, you are choosing CAEFDB. How about AECFDB? :confused: This is all quite taxing. 5 points down the toilet would be very little fun. I must get into Bajaj :D

[Rahul Zaveri]

Hi Bhavna,

You missed out on the 5th option! It was wall, and the correct answer is Concrete, as all the others are words used to indicate different parts of house!

PS: I guess it is not a good idea to discuss questions here!! :)

Manish

[Ramki]

Hi Manish Sir,
Have you made a back door entry into this forum using Rahul Sir's id? :) Welcome. I think that discussing questions on this forum is a great thing. Please let us :D

[bhavna_par]

whoops, ok sir.........no more qsts. Cud'nt help myself!

[bhavna_par]

Hi ramki.....how did ur paper go?

[Rahul Zaveri]

hi ramki,

A or E cannot precede C as C lays the premise for the rest of the paragraph, use of words 'this' and 'that' in A & E coincide well with the idea of digital devices in C...this is what we think at Peak Seekers...But like Syllogisms, Parajumbles do tend to get dicey and examiner is always right (perhaps with some other logic)..so your answer has an equal probability of being right.. just chill

[VeryVeryCATy]

I think Manish Sir is joking about the questions bit. I think he actually wants to encourage us to post and discuss questions. Right Sir?

[Rahul Zaveri]

forget what manish sir is suggesting wrt not discussing Qs online... if not Qs what do we discuss?? chetan bhagat & five point someone? Taking the risk of overruling what manish sir's suggestions lets keep the Qs flowing:)

ps: manish taked about scrapiing Qs on the forum in a lighter mood so don't worry about it

[VeryVeryCATy]

BTW, I have added a new poll (http://forum.peakseekers.in/showthread.php?t=42)for today's test. Please do stop by and vote. Click: http://forum.peakseekers.in/showthread.php?t=42

[Rahul Zaveri]

whither people?

[VeryVeryCATy]

Thanks for the permission to discuss questions :) And Sir, you too please visit the poll. I know you are an MBA already, but your opinion is very important :)

[Rahul Zaveri]

time left for the forum discussion is 32 minutes

[Ramki]

My watch says 34 minutes. Don't stiff us of 2 minutes :D

[Rahul Zaveri]

anything worth discussing in those extra 2 minutes?

[Ramki]

Hi ramki.....how did ur paper go?

Hi Bhavna, Actually, I am one of those CAT 2006 aspirants who are appearing for CET 2006 with the hope that they get into Bajaj. If not Bajaj, then CAT 2006 :)

[Ramki]

Rahul Sir, if you do not mind, could you help us out with the answers to the PROBABLY TRUE, PROBABLY FALSE questions?

[Rajesh.Kannan]

Aah PTPF, my worst nightmare. I am always sure of my answer and I often get it wrong :( Do share the solutions with us :)

[Rahul Zaveri]

Ramki,

PT PF could have been avoided this time... if you did attempt it, this was a rare case where all five answers were different...covering the entire range from definitely true to data inadequate..here are the answers

1) Indian economy may be able to to sustain present rate of growth - Probably false

2) India's projected growth around 7 % - Definitely true

3) Past world economy has not grown at present rate - probably true

4) Avg eco. growth of Soviet breakaway block - Data Inadequate

5) India's economy way above always low performing economies - definitely false

[VeryVeryCATy]

1) Indian economy may be able to to sustain present rate of growth - Probably false

2) India's projected growth around 7 % - Definitely true

3) Past world economy has not grown at present rate - probably true

4) Avg eco. growth of Soviet breakaway block - Data Inadequate

5) India's economy way above always low performing economies - definitely false

Yipee, I got 4 out of 5 right :p I thought The first one was PROBABLY TRUE. Can you please explain.
Thanks

[ansul]

hi manish sir,
though the paper was our mock 11 but somehow i feel dissatisfied i my heart. some anguish also. hmmmm. :( :(

[Rahul Zaveri]

you are really good at PT - PF dude...4 on 5 on a relatively difficult passage in PT PF is commendable


wrt to Q 1

The very fact that the passage mentioned something about.... but it is illusory to think that our policies and projects will always keep improving.... in teh final statement..implies that w/o major changes Indian economy will not be able to sustain growth vis-a-vis world growth.... I am tempted to mark it as definitely false... but the way it is worded leaves a little doubt about its veracity...hence probably false

[ansul]

hiii rahul sir, do u remember all the answers for fill inthe blanks with appropriate words. the 10 marks set.

ansul

[VeryVeryCATy]

hi manish sir,
though the paper was our mock 11 but somehow i feel dissatisfied i my heart. some anguish also. hmmmm. :( :(

Don't worry. When you want something quite bad, it is natural for you to feel anguish. See here is a student who did not like CET:

http://www.breakfasttacos.com/fixins/face-crazy.jpg

[Rahul Zaveri]

manish sir is beside me.. what is the reason for your anguish? what were you attempts..how much are u expecting?

[ansul]

Don't worry. When you want something quite bad, it is natural for you to feel anguish. See here is a student who did not like CET:



sir instinctively i would expect a score of 120 - 125.

[ansul]

sir that is certainly not a nice pic

[VeryVeryCATy]

Ansul, Are you being optimistic or pessimistic? I think that you will do just fine. All exams are known to cause an emotional reaction. Hopefully, you are only going through a temporary phase of pessimism

~The Girl From Ghatkopar

[Rahul Zaveri]

1) complicating (2)...should have been complicated..incorrect usage

2) intertain (3),,,,,should have been entertain...spelling error

3) efficiency (1)....should have been efficient..parellelism

4) necklesses (4)...should have been necklaces..spelling error

5) No error as the sentence was grammatically correct..

I am afraid I don't remember the other five sentences as of now...will let you know soon

[ansul]

sir can u please gimme the answers for the fill in the blanks sets. 191 - 200.

[Rahul Zaveri]

In my set 191- 200 was visuals...I guess you need to speak with Manish sir.. btw Manish is feeling slightly left out as it seems nobody wants to ask anything in visuals, maths or logic...:confused:

[ansul]

how have u decided i m being either optimistic or pessimistic. i m cofused

[Rahul Zaveri]

oh ok...u must be wanting paragraph construction... I 'll try and recollect para construction and get you the answers sometime later..

how did your vocab section go? there were 16 pure vocab based questions

[bhavna_par]

Is it true........no typos in LDI this time!!!

[ansul]

sir i did not attempt any set of visuals and one set od DI the urban and rural one. but lemme know the answers for the FIB sets where u have to choose between 5 options. my form no. was 222. eg. older, mature

[Rahul Zaveri]

Hi Bhavna,

Manish here! Yes, The examiners proved me wrong this time. There were no errors in LDI this time. Both sets could have been easily solved.

[ansul]

i think they were fine. but it would be better if u can let me know the answers for some of them

[ansul]

rahul sir,
lemme me knw the answers for some of the vocab.

[bhavna_par]

:D , now thats an improvement! There were 3 students with electronics as their option, n 2 each of electrical n computers. isnt it sir?

[Rahul Zaveri]

Bingo Bhavna. You are correct!! This should encourage you to discuss more Q's!! - Manish sir

[bhavna_par]

If i could only recollect any more :o

[Rahul Zaveri]

Bhavna, Ansul and gang! Yes, you can keep recollecting questions and keep posting them as well. Myself and Rahul sir will login tommorow afternoon and answer your queries. We are logging out for the time being.

Bye for now. We had a wonderful time discussing the paper with all of you.

Put CET behind your mind and start preparing for the 2nd stage of selection! Have a good nights sleep!

Bye and Good night.

Regards,

Manish sir

[Nikunj Sir]

Bhavana, how about the other DI Sets.

[bhavna_par]

Thankyou so much Manish sir and Rahul sir.

Nikunj sir,

DI was by far the best attempt among all my DI attempts in the mocks :) . Its the other sections that im worried about, and thats keeping me on teether toes.

Goodnight sirs!!!